Petition to: "Work with TFL to move the airport/long distance coach stop off Dorset Square to a non-residential location"

This petition is now closed, as its deadline has passed.

We the undersigned petition Westminster City Council to "Work with TFL to move the airport/long distance coach stop off Dorset Square to a non-residential location". More details

Petition update from the council, 08 January 2019

Dear Ms Gillams

E-petition
Petition to: Work with TFL to move the airport/long distance coach stop off Dorset Square to a non-residential location

I am writing in response to the City of Westminster E-petition that you submitted on 30 November 2018.

It is also acknowledged that the petition was signed by 136 people on-line and an understood 300 people off-line and the support statement read as follows:

‘We the undersigned petition Westminster City Council to "Work with TFL to move the airport/long distance coach stop off Dorset Square to a non-residential location”. A long distance coach stop has been moved from a non-residential part of Gloucester Place onto Dorset Square as part of the 2Way Scheme, despite our repeated objections to both WCC and TFL. Already the stop has changed the very nature of the heart of the conservation area. It causes major disruption for local residents as the coaches run 24/7 and are noisy and polluting. The engines run for the entire duration of their stop, up to 15 mins, with < 6 coaches/hr causing increased NO2 pollution to nearby residents. There is increased traffic in the Square, coach engine noise, automated warning messages, flashing lights, noisy passengers, drivers, conductors, increased trespass onto private property, antisocial behaviour, rough sleepers, littering and use of the garden railings/road as a toilet. The north side of the Square is frequently blocked preventing emergency access. WCC and TFL are now threatening to install a large coach shelter and giant waste bins which will turn the Square into a coach station.
The coach stop must be moved off Dorset Sq to a non-residential area. Your signature is required as WCC and TFL are rejecting our reasonable and legitimate concerns out of hand.’

One of the objectives of Baker Street Two Way project was to improve public transport accessibility by providing bus access to Baker Street for northbound services. However, due to capacity constraints, it was decided that coaches will continue to use existing routes i.e. Baker Street for southbound coaches and Gloucester Place for northbound coaches. It should be noted that both these roads are strategic roads and part of the Strategic Route Network. The project is being delivered as a joint project by WCC and TfL and the section of Gloucester Place north of Marylebone Road is a TfL road.

In order to provide a much needed pedestrian crossing across Gloucester Place, near its junction with Marylebone Road, it was proposed to move some of the coach services to the bus stop at Dorset Square. Two-thirds of the services continue to use the coach stop at Allsop Arms and one third of the services now use the old bus stop on Dorset Square as a coach stop.

Temporarily, northbound TfL Buses continue to use Gloucester Place and are currently using the suspended parking bays north of Dorset Square coach stop as a bus stop. After the two-way switch early next year, TfL Buses will move to Baker Street.

Please note that all objections/ comments received during the consultation process were considered. It should also be noted that the previous location of this coach stop was next to Marathon House which is a residential block. Dorset House, another residential block, was opposite this coach stop.

We recognise your concerns that there are differences in operation between long distance coaches and buses and have raised your concerns regarding engine idling, noise, flashing lights at night and coach operator and passenger behaviour with Transport for London (TfL). We will continue to work with TfL and yourselves in resolving these issues. TfL have affixed notices at the stop reminding users to be considerate to residents. They have also spoken to the coach operators regarding staff using steps of private properties.

Regarding your concern about pollution from long distance coaches, please note that over 83% of National Express coaches already meet the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) Euro VI standard. The small number of regional services serving the stop are currently Low Emission Zone (LEZ) compliant, but will become ULEZ complaint as new vehicles enter the fleet in the coming months. From April 2019, the Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) will be introduced in central London. All coaches and buses will be included in it and will have to meet Euro VI standard.

Yellow box markings have been installed at the entrance to Dorset Square to prevent coaches from blocking this entrance. In addition the new bus stop has been marked which is 33m long to accommodate two coaches. The flag and post has been moved to the head of the marked stop and coach operators have been instructed to use the entire stretch of the stop to avoid blocking the entrance. Currently, all TfL Buses are also using the area in front of the coach stop as a temporary bus stop. Once they have moved to Baker Street after the two-way switch, the situation will improve.

A large coach shelter was suggested to provide more space for passengers. If residents do not want, it will not be installed. Waste Management team will continue to monitor the area regarding littering.

All of Gloucester Place is residential in nature so it is hard to find a ‘non-residential’ area on that section of the road. This location is close to the tube station, train station and bus routes thereby improving interconnectivity between various modes of transport. It is on a section of footway with no direct doors and windows in front and has been used by TfL Buses 24/7 as a bus stop for many years.

A meeting was organised on 12th December 2018 which was attended by members, officers from WCC and TfL, coach operator and representatives of Dorset Square Trust and St Marylebone Society. Concerns of residents were discussed and actions were agreed to mitigate these concerns.

We will continue to engage with TfL and coach operators regarding coach behaviour and will continue to monitor the area following the two-way switch and scheme implementation.


Yours sincerely

Sara Sutton
Executive Director, City Management and Communities

More details from petition creator

A long distance coach stop has been moved from a non-residential part of Gloucester Place onto Dorset Square as part of the 2Way Scheme, despite our repeated objections to both WCC and TFL. Already the stop has changed the very nature of the heart of the conservation area. It causes major disruption for local residents as the coaches run 24/7 and are noisy and polluting. The engines run for the entire duration of their stop, up to 15 mins, with < 6 coaches/hr causing increased NO2 pollution to nearby residents. There is increased traffic in the Square, coach engine noise, automated warning messages, flashing lights, noisy passengers, drivers, conductors, increased trespass onto private property, antisocial behaviour, rough sleepers, littering and use of the garden railings/road as a toilet. The north side of the Square is frequently blocked preventing emergency access. WCC and TFL are now threatening to install a large coach shelter and giant waste bins which will turn the Square into a coach station.

The coach stop must be moved off Dorset Sq to a non-residential area. Your signature is required as WCC and TFL are rejecting our reasonable and legitimate concerns out of hand.

Current signatories

Alison Gillams, the petition creator, joined by:

  • Pedro Mendez
  • Elizabeth Bax
  • Tony Smith
  • Claire Slater
  • Vicky Webster
  • Aisling Hanbury
  • Petra Slater
  • Peter Slater
  • Helen Slater
  • Shiv Pabari
  • MERYL H HABER
  • Jonathan Blanchard
  • Christopher Davies
  • Pietro Falcone
  • David Patrick Spens
  • Professor Eli Talmor
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  • Gunnar Larsen
  • Letitia Smith
  • Jayeis B Sonill
  • Derek Walker
  • Philip Hindley
  • Sally Holman
  • Robyn Spens
  • Richard Watson
  • Caroline Blanchard
  • Simon Vye
  • Elisabet Finetto
  • Otello Finetto
  • Beth Heller
  • Dickinson Cowan
  • VERINA.GLAESSNER
  • Derek Smith
  • Ann Dumas
  • Anna Maria McLaren
  • Joachim Krinke
  • Olga Garcia
  • Brian Gordon
  • Brenda Hosington
  • sodbayar ganzorig
  • Kamran Alexander
  • Farzad Kassam
  • william heller
  • Janet Lewis
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  • Chiara Essig
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  • Raj Kapur
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  • Steven Dollond
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  • Karl Essig
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